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Wednesday, April 26, 2017

Mack Sanford Hiatt and Hazel H. Hedgecock



Mack Sanford Hiatt was born 2/2/1890 in Davidson County, NC to Alfred Mack Hiatt (DOB 1/14/1848 in NC; DOD 8/3/1934 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC) and Sarah Glendora Spring (DOB 12/21/1851 in NC; DOD 1/25/1922 in High Point, Guilford County, NC). Alfred Mack Hiatt had also married Margaret Albertine Simmerson (DOB 9/17/1872 in Davidson County, NC to John Harrison Simmerson and Mary Ann Wood; DOD 3/20/1962 in Lexington, Davidson County, NC). Mary Ann Wood was the daughter of James William Wood and Sophia Barnes and the Barnes are one of my lines. So Mack Sanford Hiatt is very tenuously attached to the Barnes line (not by blood) and I found him and his family as I was researching the Barnes line.

Alfred Mack Hiatt and Sarah Glendora Spring had 8 children:

1) Emma J. Hiatt (DOB 4/18/1873 in NC; DOD 6/11/1900 in Davidson County, NC) married Samuel Lee Darr (DOB 11/7/1868 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 3/27/1946 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC). S. Lee Darr married 2nd Margaret Emaline Kanoy (DOB 7/12/1867 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 5/15/1951 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC).

2) Minnie Mary Hiatt (DOB 5/21/1876 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 1/1/1959 in Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC) married Charles Alfred Cridlebaugh (DOB 6/6/1868 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 9/26/1899 in Davidson County, NC). They had Anne Banks Cridlebaugh and Charlie Mae Cridlebaugh (both females). She married William Thomas Anderson (DOB 9/9/1862 in High Point, Guilford County, NC; DOD 9/20/1937 in High Point, Guilford County, NC). They had Glennie Alma Anderson. William Thomas Anderson was also married to Minnie Lena Rivers.

3) John William Hiatt (DOB 12/6/1877 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 7/24/1978 in Thoomasville, Davidson County, NC) married Sudie Pearl Lindsay (DOB 6/19/1880 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 1/26/1918 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC) and they had John Wade Hiatt and Grace Winifred Hiatt. He also married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Virginia Payne (DOB 10/24/1897 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 1/9/1992 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC). They had Pauline Almeda Hiatt, Ruus Everett Hiatt, Dorothy Elizabeth Hiatt, Mabel Payne Hiatt, Charles Warren Hiatt, Glennie Louise Hiatt, William Lindley Hiatt, Mary Frances Hiatt, Peggy Virginia Hiatt.

4) Maude Winifred Hiatt (DOB 3/22/1881 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 5/26/1881 in Davidson County, NC).

5) Ruth G. Hiatt (DOB 4/8/1882 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 7/16/1910 in Davidson County, NC) married Walter Cleveland "Cleve" Grimes (DOB 8/18/1887 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 10/19/1958 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC). Walter Cleveland Hiatt also married Lillie Jane Bingham (DOB 10/7/1894 in NC; DOD 5/15/1975 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC).

6) John Spurgeon Hiatt, Sr. (DOB 10/19/1884 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 7/2/1963 in Elkin, Surry County, NC) married Maude Eugenia Jones (DOB 10/19/1888 in NC; DOD 9/4/1985 in Southern Pines, Moore County, NC). They had Joseph Spurgeon Hiatt, Jr., Alfred Mack Hiatt, Ruth E. Hiatt, Anna Faye Hiatt.

7) Bessie Deering Hiatt (DOB 4/25/1887 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 7/20/1957 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC) married Robert Lee Murphy (DOB 10/5/1882 in NC, DOD 4/8/1961 in Thomasville, Davidson County, NC). They had 6 sons: Ivory Murphy, Joe Alfred Murphy, Jessie Murphy, Francis Woodrow Murphy, Cleveland Lee Murphy, Paul Pervy Murphy.

8) Mack Sanford Hiatt (DOB 2/2/1890 in Davidson County, NC; DOD 5/29/1951 in Forsyth County, NC) married 1st Hazel H. Hedgecock (DOB 7/30/1892 in Guilford County, NC; DOD 3/20/1916 in High Point, Guilford County, NC) and 2nd Huron Theresa Stewart (DOB 10/27/1982 in NC, DOD 6/1/1973 in Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC).


1900 U.S. Census of Thomasville, Davidson County, NC, Roll: 1192; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 0039; FHL microfilm: 1241192, Family #265, Lines 28-33, "Alfred M. Hiatt"
Alfred M. Hiatt, Head, W(hite), M(ale), Born Jan, 1848, 52 yrs old, Married 30 yrs, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Farmer, Can read and write, Owns farm free of mortgage, Can read and write
Sarah C. Hiate, Wife, W, F, Born Dec, 1851, 48 yrs old, Married 30 yrs, 8 children with 7 still living, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Can read and write

1910 U.S. Census of High Point Ward 1, Guilford, North Carolina; Roll: T624_1114; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 0116; FHL microfilm: 1375127, Family 258, Lines 96-100, "John M. Johnson"
John M. Johnson, Head, M(ale), W(hite), 31 yrs old (DOB 1879), 1st marriage, Married 12 yrs, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Drayman or grocery store
Prudie B. Johnson, Wife, F, W, 33 yrs old (DOB 1877), 1st marriage, Married 12 yrs, 5 children with 2 still living, Born in NC, , Both parents born in NC, chair bottoms from home
Robiny N. Johnson, Daughter, F, W, 8 yrs old (DOB 1902), Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
James B. Johnson, Son, M, W, 4 yrs old, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Mack S. Hiatt, Lodger, M, W, 20 yrs old (DOB 1890), Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Mail carrier in rural free delivery

Mack Sanford Hiatt and Hazel H. Hedgecock married 9/20/1914 in Guilford County, NC.

North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011
Name: Hazel H Hedgecock
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1892
Marriage Date: 13 Sep 1914
Marriage Place: Guilford, North Carolina, USA
Father: J H Hedgecock
Mother: Julia E Hedgecock
Spouse: Mack S Hiatt
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 24
Spouse Father: Am Hiatt
Spouse Mother: S G Hiatt
Event Type: Marriage

North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011
Name: Hack S Hiatt
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1890
Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1914
Marriage Place: Guilford, North Carolina, USA
Spouse: Hazel H Hedgecock
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage

Poor Hazel Hedgecock Hiatt was killed in a train wreck. Here are the stories I found about the train wreck and her untimely death at the young age of 23 years old on 3/20/1916 in High Point, Guilford County, NC.

Train Wreck, The High Point Enterprise, 3/20/1916, Pg1 and Pg 8
One Person Killed And More Than A Score Are Injured In Train Wreck At Jamestown
The Condition Of Three Is Serious
Only A Fighting Chance For Miss Green, Mr. Carroll and Miss Biggers
Twenty Eight Injured
Southern Train No. 43 Wrecked By Durallmint Freight Cars Early Sunday Evening
As the result of the wrecking of Southern passenger train No. 43 at Jamestown yesterday evening, one person is dead, three are in a most critical condition, and about 24 others are suffering from injuries ranging from slight bruises to broken limbs. Mrs. M.S. Hiatt succumbed to her terrible injuries about 1 o'clock this morning and this afternoon the condition of Miss Mary Green, of Thomasville, and D.C. Carroll, of Oak Hill, Va., was reported as being extremely critical, with just a chance for recovery, while Miss Caroline Biggers, of Thomasville, is also reported to be in a serious condition. This week, which occurred at the Jamestown station just a little after 7 o'clock Sunday evening, was the worst in this section in many years, and those who viewed the disaster can only wonder that the loss of life was not heavier. Cars were piled up, pieces of lumber rammed through the passenger coaches, a baggage car turned over, and all about a mass of evidence of the terrific destruction wrought by the impact of the derailed freight cars as they crashed into the slowly moving passenger train. News of the wreck spread rapidly, a call coming from Jamestown or all of the High Point doctors not only starting the local members of the medical fraternity speeding to the scene, but practically every other automobile in the city was soon eating up the dust covered five miles between here and there. The work of rescue went forward with remarkable speed, and soon the platform and the waiting room of the little station at Jamestown held their capacity of wounded humanity. The crowd was soon augmented by Greensboro people; the doctors arriving first, these followed by a long string of automobiles bearing persons who had friends on the ill-fated train or drawn there through curiosity. The doctors were greatly aided in their care of the injured by the hands of hundreds of willing people, and in a very short time the engine and three baggage and mail cars of No. 43, which had not felt the effect of the freight derailment, started on their way to High Point, bringing eight wounded. Other injured, considered less serious, were hurried here in automobiles, and soon a score or more of persons were under treatment. At the hospital it was seen that there was no chance for Mrs. Hiatt, but in spite of her terrible injuries she clung tenaciously to the weakening thread of life until about 1 o'clock this morning. Grave ears are also entertained for Miss Mary Greene, of Thomasville and today she was pronounced as being probably the most seriously hurt of any now at the hospital. She has a fractured skull and other injuries, and in addition is suffering greatly from shock. It is announced that she has only a fighting chance. D.C. Carroll, of Oak Hill, Va., is also in a most serious condition. He has several deep lacerations on his head and face, and one leg and one arm fractured. He is said to have a fighting chance to recover. The next most seriously injured is Miss Carolina Biggers, of Thomasville, whose left leg is fractures, and it was said that amputation would possibly be necessary. She sustained other injuries. Miss Ethel Johnson, of Jamestown, has a laceration on the back of her head, a lacerated lip, and badly bruised limbs. Leon Street, of Greensboro, has a fracture of both his left arm and left leg. He is expected to recover. James Elliott, of Thomasville, has a long scalp wound, several bruises on the body and is said to be in serious condition, but with the chances of recovery in his favor. A.M. Kester, of Charlotte, had several lacerations on the body, but was able to leave the hospital last night. Frank Norris, a Spencer about 10 or 12 years of age, was injured about the head and body, but not of such a nature as to cause apprehension for his recovery. Miss Mae Cridlebough, of High Point, had her right leg fractures. L.D. Payne of Willowbrook street, sustained injuries about both ankles and a number of severe bruises. His injuries, while not serious are very painful and he is confined to bed. His little four year old daughter, Edythe, who was with him on the train, has had a bad compound fracture of the right leg, about four inches of the bone protruded through the flesh between the knee and hip. J.M. Stephenson, of Ward street, sustained a number of painful bruises and sprains. He is at home. Miss Iola Perryman, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J.E. Perryman, had a remarkable escape from serious and probably fatal injuries. She and her sister, Rozena, were returning from Greensboro, where they had been attending the presentation of "The Holy City," at the State Normal. Miss Iola was sitting between Mrs. Hiatt, who was fatally injured, and Miss Mae Cridlebough, who was seriously hurt, and it is probably due to the fact that her companions received the full force of the impact that Miss Iola escaped. She sustained a number of very painful bruises about the body and legs, but it is believed she will be able to leave her bed in a few days. Miss Clara Blair, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. R.E. Blair, was returning from Guilford college. She had three ribs broken and received a number of painful bruises. It is thought, however, that unless pneumonia or other complications set in she will soon recover. The exact cause of the wreck at Jamestown may never be known. It was either a head-on or a rear-end collision, but resulted from an impact of freight cars from a parallel track, which were derailed, but by what cause has not been determined. The wreck occurred just as No. 43 was pulling out from the Jamestown station, according to passengers. The train was crowded, as is usual on Sundays probably more so yesterday on account of a number of people from here Thomasville and other places attending the performance of "The Holy City" at the State Normal college in Greensbor yesterday. No. 43 was running about 10 minutes late, it is said, and had stopped at Jamestown to take on passengers. Just as the train started out, having moved, according to the passengers, only a few feet, the crash came. Regular freight No. 74 was passing on the northbound track, and just making it's usual good schedule speed. Just as it was passing No. 43, one of the freight cars in some unexplained manner was derailed, plunging into the coaches of the passenger train. The derailed car pulled others after it, and in the twinkling of an eye several freight cars followed the runaway, the cars soon being mashed into a heap of wreckage. Apparently the first car to leave the track was one loaded with lumber, and the impact as it struck the baggage car was such that the latter was turned on it's side, while the lumber loosened bombarded the two following passenger coaches. Behind the lumber car was a tank car which added its weight in making kindling of the frailer obstructions. The first passenger coach had its top staved in, and was given a decided tilt. The second passenger coach struck was crushed almost as though it had been an eggshell, and it was here that the greatest damage was done. The news of the wreck was flashed to High Point and Greensboro, and soon special trains were rushed to Jamestown carrying doctors and stretchers, only the briefest possible time elapsing between the wreck and the time of the arrival of aid from High Point, Greensboro's assistance, owing to the greater distance, arrived a little later. Despite the terrible suffering and the nerve wrecking moments usually attending such disasters, the work of rescue was carried on with speed and efficiency and even the suffering persons showed a remarkable degree of self possession during the trying minutes, apparently being anxious to aid in every way possible those who were trying to relieve them. No. 43 was in charge of one of the Southern's best and oldest men, Arch Rowzie, who only Friday was presented a medal by President Harrison of the Southern, in recognition of his long service with the road. W.L. Finks was conductor, E.C. Elmore was engineer o the freight. The wreck was cleared by 3 o'clock this morning, it is said, to permit traffic to pass through, the Southern wrecking crew doing a fine piece of work. The railroad authorities, realizing the great injury suffered by so many people, have not delayed action on their part in order to find out the cause or responsibility of the wreck. They were on the ground promptly last night and this morning to render every conceivable aid to the injured and to the friends and family of the injured, and to provide all medical attention and other services. It is believed that when the injured are physically able they stand ready to negotiate an adjustment with each and every one injured.

Mrs. Hiatt Made A Valiant Fight
Succumbed At 1 O'clock This Morning To Injuries Received In Jamestown Wreck
Was Returning Home
Funeral Will Be Held At Wesley Memorial Wednesday Morning at 11 O'Clock
After putting up one of the most valiant fights for life that her physicians had ever witnessed, Mrs. Hazel Hiatt, age 22, the young wife of Mack S. Hiatt, of Morris street, this city, died in the High Point hospital at 1 o'clock this morning from injuries received in the wreck of Southern passenger train No. 43 at Jamestown last evening. Mrs. Hiatt, known from the very first to be the worst of the more than score who were badly injured in last night's wreck, was given the closest attention by the physicians. At the scene of the wreck it was seen that her injuries were just about as serious as could possibly be. Mrs. Hiatt was found to be suffering with a fracture of both legs, a crushed hip, and broken arms; her face was cut with glass and there were internal injuries. So badly was her little body crushed and mangled by the awful crush of timbers which resulted when the lumber car of the freight crashed sideways into the passenger car in which she was a passenger, that the physciain would hardly find a spot on her body to which to inject the hypodermic. The injured lady was placed on the express car with a half dozen of the others who were more seriously hurt. Her husband, Mack S. Hiatt, reached the scene soon after information of the wreck reached High Point. He and W. E. Burton were at her side all the times while the slowly moving cars of sufferers made its way from Jamestown to High Point. It is said that Mrs. Hiatt's first words after the crash signified that she realized the seriousness of her injuries. Mrs. Hiatt was the daughter of John Henry Hedgecock, who lives a little more than two miles north of High Point. She was born at the home place a little over 23 years ago. For a dozen years or more Mrs. Hiatt has been a member of Wesley Memorial church. Her friends assert that the first thoughts of her life were toward her church. Mrs. Hiatt's mother has been dead for a number of years. She has two brothers, Ray of Royal Lynne, Conn., and Basil, of High Point. Ray has been notified and it is expected that he will come at once. In September, 1914, she married Mack S. Hiatt, and they lived on Morris street in a new home that they built just after their marriage. Mr. Hiatt is a carrier on R.F.D. No. 5, out of this city. Their married life has been a most happy and beautiful one. Mrs. Hiatt, her half sister, Miss Charlotte Mae Criddlebaugh, Miss Iola Perryman, Miss Rozena Perryman, and Miss Treva Cook, all went to Greensboro on No. 36 to witness "The Holy City" a the State Normal. Mrs. Hiatt was sitting next to the window, Miss Iola Perryman in the middle of Miss Cridlebough next to the aisle in one seat and Miss Rozena Perryman and Miss Cook were sitting together a few seats behind them. Just what happened except an awful crash none o the young ladies can tell. Miss Cridlebaugh is in the hospital suffering with a fracture of the right leg and Miss Iola Perryman is badly brusied and suffering from a nervous shock at the home of her parents, Mr. and Mrs. J.A. Perryman. Although she was between the two, one of whom was killed and the other injured badly, she escaped without serious result. Each of the four young ladies who went to Greensboro with Mrs. Hiatt are almost protrated with grief this morning. Miss Cook is at her home at John Henry Hedgecock's, her step-father, and since the wreck has not seen Mrs. Hiatt. Information from her this morning is that she has been prostrated ever since hearing of Mrs. Hiatt's fatality. Both of the Misses Perryman are also suffering from the shock of the wreck, coupled with the news of the death of their friend and companion. The funeral services over the remains of the late Mrs. Hiatt will be held Wednesday morning at 11 o'clock from Wesley Memorial church, and Dr. G.T. Rowe, the pastor, will conduct the services, being assisted by Rev. C.C. Stubbins. The following gentleman will be pallbearers: Active, R.E. Blair, C.J. Clapp, J.J. Farriss, Elmer Spencer, John Sicelof and A.E. Futrell; honorary, J.C. Payne, Levi Hayworth, J.E. Perryman, C. Dunbar, J.W. Kearns and W.C. Tucker Detail

Obituary of Hazel Hedgecock Hiatt, The High Point Enterprise, 3 22 1916, Pg 1 and Pg 5
Funeral Today of Mrs. Hazel Hiatt Much Sorrow Expressed Throughout The City Over The Untimely Death Of This Lady
Beautiful Tributes Paid
Services Held At Wesley Memorial Church
Attended By Hundreds Of People
Beautiful tributes were paid to the memory of the late Mrs. Hazel Hiatt, the young wife of Mack S. Hiatt, who "succumbed to the shafts of death, but at the same time overcame the sharpness of it," by her pastor, Rev. Dr. Gilber T. Rowe, and a former pastor, Rev. J.E. Thompson, now of Asheboro, at the funeral services which were held from Wesley Memorial church at 11 o'clock this morning and attended by several hundred of her relatives and friends. Mrs. Hiatt died early Monday morning as a result of the wrecking of Southern train No. 43 at Jamestown Sunday evening about 7 o'clock. The services this morning were very simple. Several familiar hymns were sung by the choir, among them being "Asleep in Jesus" and "Safe in the Arms of Jesus." Rev. R.C. Stubbies, of Mechanicsville, then read the scripture lesson, and Dr. Rowe led in prayer, asking divine comfort to the sorrowing relatives and praying that the people assembled might realize the uncertainty of death. The deceased was the daughter of John Henry and Julia Hedgecock, and was born at the old home place two miles from High Point July 30, 1892. She was the only daughter and the care of the household was placed upon her after her mother's death nine years ago, October 27, 1914, she joined Wesley Memorial church. She was educated at DeLane academy and a private school in Baltimore, and on September 20, 1914, became the wife of Mack S. Hiatt and moved into the home on Morris Street. "She was a model wife of a model home," said Dr. Rowe in his short tribute this morning. "From early childhood she loved the church and the things the church stands for. She was a lover of all that is good and true," he continued, "and while the strains of the 'Holy City' were still lingering in her ears she was called by death. She had no warning; she needed none. Although her call came suddenly, she was prepared to go." Rev. J.E. Thompson paid a beautiful tribute to the girlhood life of the deceased. He had visited her home several years ago and declared her to be "beautiful in person and character." Another home the preacher had just visited, that home where she "had dispensed brightness and given joy," and where the "light has now gone out." It was a touching comparison the speaker made of the life of Mrs. Hiatt and that of a beautiful white rose. "I passed the rose one day and then the next day I noticed it was gone. I found that it had been gathered and was adorning the mansion up on the hill. Her life is today adorning God's mansion," concluded the speaker. Following the short services interment was made at Oakwood cemetery.

NC Death Certificate #417, Registration District #41-2279, Certificate #48, Mrs. Hazel Hiatt, DOD 3/20/1916 in High Point, Guilford County, NC
Usual residence: 119 Boulward, High Point, Guilford County, NC
Female, White, Married, DOB 7/30/1892 in Guilford County, NC
Occupation: Housework
Education: College
Father: J.H. Hedgecock, born in Guilford County, NC
Mother: Julia Lassiter, born in Suffolk County, VA
Informant: Joe Hiatt, Winston-Salem, NC
DOD 3/20/1916 at 1:30am
Cause o death: "Shock due to crushed pelvis, fract. Rt leg, L Femur, Rt Humorous, General Contusions Produced by R.R. Reck" duration 6 hrs
Buried: 3/22/1916 in High Point, NC

North Carolina, Death Indexes, 1908-2004
Name: Hazel Hiatt
Race: White
Age: 23
Date of Birth: 1893
Date of Death: 20 Mar 1916
Death County: Guilford
Death State: North Carolina
Source Vendor: NC State Archives. North Carolina Deaths, 1908-67

Findagrave.com
Hazel H. Hiatt
DOB 7/30/1892
DOD 3/20/1916
Inscription: Hazel H. Hiatt, wife of M.S. Hiatt, "She believes and sleeps in Jesus
Burial: Oakwood Cemetery, High Point, Guilford County, NC, USA, Plott: Oakwood Municipal
Created by Donna
Record added: 5/23/2007
Find A Grave Memorial #19501445



Mack Sanford Hiatt then married Huron Theresa Stewart on 6/27/1917 in Forsyth County, NC. She was born 10 /27/1892 in NC.

North Carolina, Marriage Index, 1741-2004
Name: Huron Theresa Stewart
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1894
Age: 23
Race: White
Spouse: Mack Sanford T Hiatt
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Age: 27
Spouse Race: White
Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1917
Marriage County: Forsyth
Marriage State: North Carolina

North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011
Name: Mack Sanford Hiatt
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1890
Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1917
Marriage Place: Forsyth, North Carolina, USA
Father: A M Hiatt
Mother: S D Hiatt
Spouse: Huron Theresa Stewart
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Race: White
Spouse Age: 23
Spouse Father: John R Stewart
Spouse Mother: Ora Bell Stewart
Event Type: Marriage

1920 U.S. Census of 123 Steel St,High Point Ward 2, Guilford County, North Carolina; Roll: T625_1302; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 157; Image: 170, Lines 19-20, "Mack S. Hiatt"
Mack S. Hiatt, Head, Rent, M(ale), W(hite), 35 yrs old (DOB 1885), Married, Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Mail carrier
Huron Hiatt, Wife, F, W, 24 yrs old (DOB 1896), Married, Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Teacher of graded students

1930 U.S. Census of 203 William Drive, High Point, Guilford County, North Carolina; Roll: 1695; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 0049; Image: 627.0; FHL microfilm: 2341429, Family #14, Lines 49-50, "Mack Hiatt"
Mack S. Hiatt, Head, Owns home valued at $20,000, Owns radio set, M(ale), W(hite), 40 yrs old (DOB 1890), Married at age 27 yrs old, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, agent automobile, Can read and write
Huron Hiatt, Wife, F, W, 31 yrs old (DOB 1899), Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Can read and write

1940 U.S. Census of 620 Arbor Rd, Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, North Carolina; Roll: T627_2909; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 34-46, Family #185, Lines 61-62, "Mac S. Hiatt" (sic, Mack S. Hiatt)
Mac S. Hiatt, M(ale), W(hite), 50 yrs old (DOB 1890), Married, Attended college 4 yrs, Born in NC, Lived in the same place in 1935, Salesman retail automobile dealer
Huron E. Hiatt, F, W, 38 yrs old (DOB 1892), Married, Attended college 2 yrs, Born in NC, Lived in the same place in 1935

Mack Hiatt died 5/29/1951 in Winston Salem City Memorial Hospital, Forsyth County, NC.

NC Death Certificate #13426, Registration District #34-95, Mack Sanford Hiatt, DOD 5/29/1951 in City Memorial Hospital, Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC
Usual residence: 634 Arbor Rd, Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC
Male, White, Married, DOB 2/2/1890 in NC, 61 yrs old
Owner and Operator of Automobile Agency
Father: Alfred Mack Hiatt, Mother: Glendoir Spurgeon (sic), Informant: Mrs. M.S. Hiatt, Winston-Salem, NC
Date of death: 5/29/1951 at 1:10am
Cause of death: Cerebral hemorrhage (duration 32 hrs) due to cardio vascular disease (duration 4-5 yrs)
Buried Kernersville Moravian, Forsyth County, NC, 5/30/1951

U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Mack Sanford Hiatt
SSN: 243-09-****
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1890
Birth Place: Davidson CO, North Carolina
Death Date: 29 May 1951
Claim Date: 12 Jun 1951
Type of Claim: Death Claim
Notes: 10 Dec 1976: Name listed as MACK SANFORD HIATT

North Carolina, Death Indexes, 1908-2004
Name: Mack S Hiatt
Race: White
Age: 61
Date of Birth: 1890
Date of Death: 29 May 1951
Death County: Forsyth
Death State: North Carolina
Source Vendor: NC State Archives. North Carolina Deaths, 1908-67

The Gastonia Gazette, Gastonia, Gaston County, NC, 5/30/1951, Pg 3, "Automobile Pioneer Passes At Winston"
Winston-Salem, May 30-Mack Sanford Hiatt, pioneer automobile dealer and president and owner of Hiatt's, Inc., here, died at 1:10 a.m. Tuesday at a local hospital. He had been in declining health for some time and seriously ill since Sunday.
Hiatt, 61, was former branch of the Winston-Salem branch of the North Carolina Automobile Dealers Association and recently was elected a member of the Dodge dealers advisory council of North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia.

The High Point, High Point, Guilford County, NC, 5/31/1951, Pg 2, "Mack S. Hiatt"
Winston-Salem, May 31-Funeral services for Mack Sanford Hiatt, 61, pioneer automobile dealer, were held at his home here, 634 Arbor Road, Wednesday afternoon at 3:30 o'clock. Reverends R. Gordon Spaugh, D.D. J.C. Hughes, E.A. Holton, and Clayton Persons officiated. Burial was in the Moravian Graveyard at Kernersville. Mr. Hiatt, president and owner of Hiatt's, died at 1:10 a.m. Tuesday in a local hospital. He became seriously ill last Sunday. He had been in the automobile business for 32 years, and a Dodge dealer since 1941. After connections with automobile agencies in High Point, Thomasville, Greensboro and Durham, he came to Winston-Salem in 1935. Born in Davidson County on Feb. 2, 1890, he was the son of the late Alfred Mack and Glendoir Spurgeon Hiatt. He was a nephew of Dr. J. Sandford Spurgeon, late of Hillsboro. He received his education at Trinity College. Mr. Hiatt was a mamber of Home Moravian Church, Forsyth Country Club and the Masonic Order; he was former president of the Winston-Salem branch of the N.C. Automobile Dealers Association and was recently elected a member of the Dodge Dealers Advisory Council of the Carolinas and Virginia. He was twice married: the first time to the late Hazel Hedgecock Hiatt; his second marriage, in 1927, was to Miss Huron Stuart. Survivors include the widow, Mrs. Huron S. Hiatt; two sisters, Mrs. W.T. Anderson of High Point and Mrs. Robert J. Murphy of Thomasville; two brothers, J.William Hiatt of Thomasville and Dr. Joseph S. Hiatt of Elkin; and a niece, Elizabeth Stuart Hedgecock of Kernersville.

Findagrave.com
Mack Sanford Hiatt
DOB 2/2/1890
DOD 5/29/1951
Parents: A. Mack and Glendore Spurgeon Hiatt
Burial: Kernersville Moravian God's Acre, Kernersville, Forsyth County, NC, USA
Created by: Ann Ono Mouse
Record added: May 26, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial #52887260

NC Death Certificate #21537, Registration District #34-95, Local #1030, Huron Stuart Hiatt, DOD 6/1/1973 in Forsyth Memorial Hospital, Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC
Usual residence: 2920 Club Park Rd, Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC
Female, White, Widowed, DOB 10/27/1891 in NC, 81 yrs old
Occupation: Housewife
SS#239-38-****
Father: John Robert Stuart, Mother: Arabelle Hendrix, Informant: Mrs. Elizabeth Sparks, 225 S. Main St, Kernersville, NC, Niece
DOD 6/1/1973 at 3:10pm
Cause of death: acute pulmonary edema due to myocardial infarction, other significant condition was hypertension
Buried: 6/3/1973 in Kernersville Moravian Graveyard, Forsyth County, NC

U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Huron Hiatt
SSN: 239-38-****
Last Residence:
27104 Winston Salem, Forsyth, North Carolina, USA
BORN: 27 Oct 1892
Died: Jun 1973
State (Year) SSN issued: North Carolina (Before 1951)

Wednesday, April 19, 2017

Where Was Jesus After He Died and Before He Rose Again?

For a detailed look on what happened to Jesus' body immediately upon death see my post on that.


After Jesus died on the cross, where was He until He rose again three days later? From my last post, we know He was left in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb with the stone rolled over it and the Jewish leaders had it sealed and the Roman soldiers guarded it.

Let's look at what we know about the afterlife BEFORE Jesus died and rose again.

The dead went to a place called Hades in Greek and Sheol in Hebrew meaning the Place of the Dead. It's possible that it was in the "bowels of the earth" as it is described in the Bible.

While the bodies die and lie in the grave here on earth, the souls went to Sheol/Hades either to the righteous side or the ungodly side.

Job talks about how his body dies but his soul goes to Sheol and he believes there is a future where God will bring him out. Jesus did that.
Job 14:12-14 So man goes down to his last resting-place and comes not again: till the heavens come to an end, they will not be awake or come out of their sleep. (13) If only you would keep me safe in the underworld, putting me in a secret place till your wrath is past, giving me a fixed time when I might come to your memory again! (14) If death takes a man, will he come to life again? All the days of my trouble I would be waiting, till the time came for me to be free.

2 Peter 2:9 ((Bible In Basic English - BBE) The Lord is able to keep the upright safe in the time of testing, and to keep evil-doers under punishment till the day of judging;

There is a prophesy by Isaiah about the death of the King of Babylon. Isaiah 14:4-20 the eventual defeat and death of the king of Babylon who was king of the nation that would eventually send Judah into captivity. (By that time, Israel had divided into Judah and Israel.) The kings of the earth (Isa. 14:9), who preceded him in death, taunt him. These are kings he had conquered with the sword and ruled over with a cruel hand (Isa. 14:6). These men welcomed him in Sheol. All of those who find themselves in this section of Sheol/Hades will be faced with the punishment of knowing they have no hope of ever have a relationship with God. They missed their chance. While their bodies have been placed in their graves, the King of Babylon was not so honored. This man's body was tossed aside and treated as trash while his soul went to Sheol.

Isaiah 14:18-20 (Contemporary English Version - CEV) When kings die, they are buried in glorious tombs. (19) But you will be left unburied, just another dead body lying underfoot like a broken branch. You will be one of many killed in battle and gone down to the deep rocky pit. (20) You won't be buried with kings; you ruined your country and murdered your people. You evil monster! We hope that your family will be forgotten forever.

In Ezekiel there is another Prophet who prophesies over Pharoah, the ruler over Egypt, and the King of Assyria, another enemy of Israel/Judah, In this quote, Ezekiel is talking about Pharoah, as compared to his rival world power, the King of Assyria.

Ezekiel 31:13-15 (MKJV) On his ruin shall all the birds of the heavens remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be on his branches, (14) to the end that none of all the trees by the waters shall be exalted in their height, nor give their top among the thick boughs, nor should their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water. For all of them are given to death, to the lower parts of the earth, in the midst of the sons of men, with those who go down into the Pit. (15) So says the Lord Jehovah: In the day when he went down to the grave, I caused a mourning. I covered the deep for him, and I held back its floods, and the great waters were held back. And I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted because of him...
Ezekiel 31:18 To whom are you like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? Yet you shall be brought down with the trees of Eden to the lower parts of the earth. You shall lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with those slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, says the Lord Jehovah.

Ezekiel 32:11-32 (ERV) That will happen because of what the Lord GOD said: "The sword of the king of Babylon will come to fight against you. (12) I will use those soldiers to kill your people in battle. They come from the most terrible of the nations. They will destroy the things Egypt is proud of. The people of Egypt will be destroyed. (13) There are many animals by the rivers in Egypt. I will also destroy all those animals. People will not make the waters muddy with their feet anymore. The hoofs of cattle will not make the water muddy anymore. (14) So I will make the water in Egypt calm. I will cause their rivers to run slowly—they will be slick like oil." This is what the Lord GOD said. (15) "I will make the land of Egypt empty. That land will lose everything. I will punish all the people living in Egypt. Then they will know that I am the LORD! (16) "This is a sad song that people will sing for Egypt. The daughters in other nations will sing this sad song. They will sing it as a sad song about Egypt and all its people." This is what the Lord GOD said. (17) On the fifteenth day of that month in the twelfth year of exile, the word of the LORD came to me. He said, (18) "Son of man, cry for the people of Egypt. Lead Egypt and the daughters from powerful nations to the grave. Lead them to the world below where they will be with the other people who went down into that deep hole. (19) "Egypt, you are no better than anyone else! Go down to the place of death. Go lie down with those foreigners. (20) "Egypt will go to be with all the other men who were killed in battle. The enemy has pulled her and all her people away. (21) "Strong and powerful men were killed in battle. Those foreigners went down to the place of death. And from that place, those who were killed will speak to Egypt and his helpers. (22) "Assyria and all its army are there in the place of death. Their graves are deep down in that deep hole. All the Assyrian soldiers were killed in battle, and their graves are all around his grave. When they were alive, they made people afraid, but they were all killed in battle. (24) "Elam is there and all its army is around her grave. All of them were killed in battle. Those foreigners went deep down into the ground. When they were alive, they made people afraid. But they carried their shame with them down to that deep hole. (25) They have made a bed for Elam and all its soldiers who were killed in battle. Elam's army is all around its grave. All those foreigners were killed in battle. When they were alive, they scared people. But they carried their shame with them down into that deep hole. They were put with all the other people who were killed. (26) "Meshech, Tubal, and all their armies are there. Their graves are around it. All those foreigners were killed in battle. When they were alive, they made people afraid. (27) But now they are lying down by the powerful men who died long, long ago! They were buried with their weapons of war. Their swords will be laid under their heads. But their sins are on their bones, because when they were alive, they scared people. (28) "Egypt, you also will be destroyed, and you will lie down by those foreigners. You will lie with the other soldiers who were killed in battle. (29) "Edom is there also. His kings and other leaders are there with him. They were powerful soldiers, but now they lie with the other men who were killed in battle. They are lying there with those foreigners. They are there with the other people who went down into that deep hole. (30) "The rulers from the north are there, all of them, and there are all the soldiers from Sidon. Their strength scared people, but they are embarrassed. Those foreigners lie there with the other men who were killed in battle. They carried their shame with them down into that deep hole. (31) "Yes, Pharaoh and all his army will be killed in battle. Pharaoh will be comforted when he sees his many men and all the others who went down into the place of death." This is what the Lord GOD said. (32) "People were afraid of Pharaoh when he was alive, but he will lie down next to those foreigners. Pharaoh and his army will lie down with all the other soldiers who were killed in battle." This is what the Lord GOD said.

This place was divided into 3 sections: Abraham's Bosom (sometimes referred to as Paradise) where those, who believe in the true God, went. There was also a place of suffering punishment where those who rejected God went. And, finally, Tartarus where the fallen angels dwell. The divide between the Paradise and where the ungodly are suffering punishment is a huge and uncrossable chasm. Sheol is a "temporary" place off the dead.

Luke 16:19-31 (Contemporary English Version - CEV) There was once a rich man who wore expensive clothes and every day ate the best food. (20) But a poor beggar named Lazarus was brought to the gate of the rich man's house. (21) He was happy just to eat the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. His body was covered with sores, and dogs kept coming up to lick them. (22) The poor man died, and angels took him to the place of honor next to Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. (23) He went to hell and was suffering terribly. When he looked up and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side, (24) he said to Abraham, "Have pity on me! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch my tongue. I'm suffering terribly in this fire." (25) Abraham answered, "My friend, remember that while you lived, you had everything good, and Lazarus had everything bad. Now he is happy, and you are in pain. (26) And besides, there is a deep ditch between us, and no one from either side can cross over." (27) But the rich man said, "Abraham, then please send Lazarus to my father's home. (28) Let him warn my five brothers, so they won't come to this horrible place." (29) Abraham answered, "Your brothers can read what Moses and the prophets wrote. They should pay attention to that." (30) Then the rich man said, "No, that's not enough! If only someone from the dead would go to them, they would listen and turn to God." (31) So Abraham said, "If they won't pay attention to Moses and the prophets, they won't listen even to someone who comes back from the dead."


2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare sinning angels, but thrust them down into Tartarus, and delivered them into chains of darkness, being reserved to judgment.

After Christ's death and resurrection, Paradise (or Abraham's Bosom) was moved to Heaven. After Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham’s Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took “captivity captive”.

Ephesians 4:4-10 (Modern King James Version - MKJV) There is one body and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling, (5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all. (7) But to every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. (8) Therefore He says, "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive and gave gifts to men." (9) (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? (10) He who descended is the same also as He who ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.)

There we await Christ's return and the final judgment. Because we know Christ and have accepted Him as our Savior and received His forgiveness, we are safe with God and will be a part of His kingdom that He will establish. He will resurrect our bodies from the grave (even if we are but dust by then), making them immortal and our bodies will join our spirits again to live eternally!

Believers now wait in God’s presence in Heaven until the time of their resurrection to enter His Kingdom. The ungodly and unrighteous, those who rejected God, are in the part of Hades/Sheol where they experience suffering. At the final judgment, they will be sent to Gehenna, the Lake of Fire for eternal torment with Satan and his fallen angels (demons).

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Now we come back to our original question. Where was Jesus and what He was doing after He died on the cross and before He rose from the dead?

During the waiting period it is somewhat of a mystery. But there are other scriptures that may give us some light.

Jesus Christ was fully God but He was also fully man. He came to experience what we experience except that He did not sin. When He died, He may have gone to Hades/Sheol, the place of the dead, just as all men did. He was sinless yet had taken on the sins of the world for all time. So He experienced death. That was the human part of Him. But He did not stay dead! He rose from the dead and that is the divine part of Him!

Acts 2:22-36 (Contemporary English Version - CEV) (22) Now, listen to what I have to say about Jesus from Nazareth. God proved that he sent Jesus to you by having him work miracles, wonders, and signs. All of you know this. (23) God had already planned and decided that Jesus would be handed over to you. So you took him and had evil men put him to death on a cross. (24) But God set him free from death and raised him to life. Death could not hold him in its power. (25) What David said are really the words of Jesus, "I always see the Lord near me, and I will not be afraid with him at my right side. (26); Because of this, my heart will be glad, my words will be joyful, and I will live in hope. (27) The Lord won't leave me in the grave. I am his holy one, and he won't let my body decay. (28) He has shown me the path to life, and he makes me glad by being near me." (29) My friends, it is right for me to speak to you about our ancestor David. He died and was buried, and his tomb is still here. (30) But David was a prophet, and he knew that God had made a promise he would not break. He had told David that someone from his own family would someday be king. 31) David knew this would happen, and so he told us that Christ would be raised to life. He said that God would not leave him in the grave or let his body decay. (32) All of us can tell you that God has raised Jesus to life! (33) Jesus was taken up to sit at the right side of God, and he was given the Holy Spirit, just as the Father had promised. Jesus is also the one who has given the Spirit to us, and that is what you are now seeing and hearing. (34) David didn't go up to heaven. So he wasn't talking about himself when he said, "The Lord told my Lord to sit at his right side, (35) until he made my Lord's enemies into a footstool for him." (36) Everyone in Israel should then know for certain that God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, even though you put him to death on a cross.

Matthew 12:38-42 (Easy To Read Version - ERV) Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law answered Jesus. They said, "Teacher, we want to see you do a miracle as a sign from God." Jesus answered, "Evil and sinful people are the ones who want to see a miracle as a sign. But no miracle will be done to prove anything to them. The only sign will be the miracle that happened to the prophet Jonah. Jonah was in the stomach of the big fish for three days and three nights. In the same way, the Son of Man will be in the grave three days and three nights. On the judgment day, you people who live now will be compared with the people from Nineveh, and they will be witnesses who show how guilty you are. Why do I say this? Because when Jonah preached to those people, they changed their lives. And you are listening to someone greater than Jonah, but you refuse to change! "On the judgment day, you people who live now will also be compared with the Queen of the South, and she will be a witness who shows how guilty you are. I say this because she traveled from far, far away to listen to Solomon's wise teaching. And I tell you that someone greater than Solomon is right here, but you won't listen!

We don't know for sure where Jesus was but other scriptures indicate that He went to Sheol, to the righteous dead.

Look at Matthew 12:40 again in the Modern King James Version:   For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the huge fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Psalm 30:3 (MKJV) O Jehovah, You have brought up my soul from the grave; You have kept me alive, so that I should not go down to the Pit.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (MKJV) Therefore He says, "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive and gave gifts to men." (9) (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? (10) He who descended is the same also as He who ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.)

If He descended into Sheol, the place of the day, then what did He do there? We know that no one comes to the Father but through Jesus. He is the only gate to a right relationship with the Father. But those who died before Jesus, what happened to them? They went to Sheol. If God knew they had a heart after Him, then their faith would make them righteous where Jesus could tell them the good news, the gospel, in Paradise.

1 Peter 4:3-6 (CEV) You have already lived long enough like people who don't know God. You were immoral and followed your evil desires. You went around drinking and partying and carrying on. In fact, you even worshiped disgusting idols. (4) Now your former friends wonder why you have stopped running around with them, and they curse you for it. (5) But they will have to answer to God, who judges the living and the dead. (6) The good news has even been preached to the dead, so that after they have been judged for what they have done in this life, their spirits will live with God.


In summary, I am NOT a trained scholar with a long list of degrees. But it seems to me that the Bible indicates people went to Sheol where they lived in Paradise or the place of punishment. Jesus died and He went to Sheol to preach the gospel of His victory in His death and resurrection. To those in Paradise, it was the word of life, but, to those in the ungodly place, they were words of condemnation.

Colossians 2:15 (MKJV) Having stripped rulers and authorities, [Jesus] made a show of them publicly, triumphing over them in it.

Revelation 1:17-18 (MKJV) When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead person. But he put his right hand on me and said: Don't be afraid! I am the first, the last, (18) and the living one. I died, but now I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys to death and the world of the dead.

So Jesus triumphed over sin and death and He rose in victory!

1 Corinthians 15:55 (MKJV) "O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"

Satan thought he had taken the Son of God out when Jesus was crucified. But Jesus went to the place of the dead and preached the good news and then He stripped satan of his power and took the keys away from him. Then Jesus arose in victory and triumph over sin and death!

Revelation 7:12 (MKJV) "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen!"

The Apostles Creed says, “He descended into hell” (translated Hades, that is, the temporary abode of the dead – not the eternal lake of fire). Jesus descended to the realm of the dead to save the righteous souls, such as the Old Testament patriarchs, who died before his crucifixion.

You may not agree with my interpretation but, as Christians, we can agree that no matter what happened during those 3 days, Christ was the victor and provided us with forgiveness, righteousness and eternal life! Maybe the Bible is deliberately vague on those 3 days because it is God's mysterious ways but the end result is salvation through Jesus Christ. Upon Jesus I rest my faith in what He did on the cross and in the resurrection.

After Jesus' death and resurrection, human beings still die. Our bodies go to the grave to be raised when Christ returns. Those who are saved go to Heaven and those who are not, are in the section of darkness and punishment in Sheol/Hades. We live with Christ in Heaven until it is time for Him to return. Upon His return, He resurrects our fleshly bodies from the grave. They are transformed into perfect, immortal bodies and our spirits join our bodies. At the Great Judgment, God looks to see if our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Jesus writes our names in His book when we are born again. So, as believers, our name is there and we are accepted by God as one of His children and ushered into His Kingdom forever. Those who have rejected Jesus and refused His gift of salvation, face the judgment of eternal Hell. God did not want anyone to go to hell so He provided the way to forgiveness of our sins and eternity in Heaven through accepting His Son, Jesus Christ. It is the only way to be saved but it is open to everyone. There is no need for anyone to go to hell, but we have the freedom of choice and if we choose to reject Jesus Christ, then we suffer the eternal consequences.

Sunday, April 16, 2017

Easter - What Happened To Jesus When He Died On The Cross?


Matthew 27:24-54 (Contemporary English Version - CEV) Pilate saw that there was nothing he could do and that the people were starting to riot. So he took some water and washed his hands in front of them and said, "I won't have anything to do with killing this man. You are the ones doing it!" (25) Everyone answered, "We and our own families will take the blame for his death!" 26) Pilate set Barabbas free. Then he ordered his soldiers to beat Jesus with a whip and nail him to a cross.

Note - Jesus died to save us from our sins and give us eternal life. It is by His blood that we are saved. Notice that the crowd actually, and unintentionally, prophesied. In the Modern King James Version - MKJV) it says in Mat 27:25 "Then all the people answered and said, 'Let His blood be on us and on our children.'" It is His Blood that saves us, if we accept it. It is His Blood that convicts us if we refuse His offer of salvation. "Let His Blood be upon us and on our children" was a prophesy that finds it's fulfillment in either our salvation (by accepting His Blood upon us) or judgment (by rejecting His Blood).

(27) The governor's soldiers led Jesus into the fortress and brought together the rest of the troops. (28) They stripped off Jesus' clothes and put a scarlet robe on him. (29) They made a crown out of thorn branches and placed it on his head, and they put a stick in his right hand. The soldiers knelt down and pretended to worship him. They made fun of him and shouted, "Hey, you king of the Jews!" (30) Then they spit on him. They took the stick from him and beat him on the head with it. (31) When the soldiers had finished making fun of Jesus, they took off the robe. They put his own clothes back on him and led him off to be nailed to a cross. (32) On the way they met a man from Cyrene named Simon, and they forced him to carry Jesus' cross. (33) They came to a place named Golgotha, which means "Place of a Skull." (34) There they gave Jesus some wine mixed with a drug to ease the pain. But when Jesus tasted what it was, he refused to drink it. (35) The soldiers nailed Jesus to a cross and gambled to see who would get his clothes. (36) Then they sat down to guard him. (37) Above his head they put a sign that told why he was nailed there. It read, "This is Jesus, the King of the Jews." (38) The soldiers also nailed two criminals on crosses, one to the right of Jesus and the other to his left. (39) People who passed by said terrible things about Jesus. They shook their heads and (40) shouted, "So you're the one who claimed you could tear down the temple and build it again in three days! If you are God's Son, save yourself and come down from the cross!" (41) The chief priests, the leaders, and the teachers of the Law of Moses also made fun of Jesus. They said, (42) "He saved others, but he can't save himself. If he is the king of Israel, he should come down from the cross! Then we will believe him. (43) He trusted God, so let God save him, if he wants to. He even said he was God's Son." (44) The two criminals also said cruel things to Jesus. (45) At noon the sky turned dark and stayed that way until three o'clock. (46) Then about that time Jesus shouted, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you deserted me?" (47) Some of the people standing there heard Jesus and said, "He's calling for Elijah." (48) One of them at once ran and grabbed a sponge. He soaked it in wine, then put it on a stick and held it up to Jesus. (49) Others said, "Wait! Let's see if Elijah will come and save him." (50) Once again Jesus shouted, and then he died. (51) At once the curtain in the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, and rocks split apart. (52)  Graves opened, and many of God's people were raised to life. (53) Then after Jesus had risen to life, they came out of their graves and went into the holy city, where they were seen by many people. (54) The officer and the soldiers guarding Jesus felt the earthquake and saw everything else that happened. They were frightened and said, "This man really was God's Son!"

Upon Christ's death, "the curtain in the temple was torn in two from top to bottom". What is this curtain or veil? The original Tabernacle was a tent that God had made to very exacting standards. He gave Moses the instructions and he oversaw the making of the Tabernacle. It had 3 sections. The outer court, the inner court and the Holy of Holies. In the Holy of Holies was the Ark of the Covenant with a top called the Mercy Seat. To go between the inner or holy court into the Holy of Holies was forbidden by everyone but the High Priest and he could only go in once a year and he had to be specially prepared. So the Veil was what separated the Holy of Holies. The Tabernacle was built so God could dwell among His People, the Israelites (aka Hebrews or Jews). It was always found in the center of the camp with the Twelve Tribes of Israel camped about it. Jesus, the Son of God, came to earth and lived as a man. He was fully God, but also fully human. As He lived among men for 33 yrs He never sinned. His work was to come to earth and live as one of us and point us to the Father. Then He was to be offered up as a pure and holy sacrifice (He never sinned so He was pure) on our behalf. The Bible says He also acts as our High Priest. He was not only the sacrifice, but also the High Priest who offered Himself as a sacrifice before God to pay for our sins. But He not only was the sacrifice and the High Priest, He was also the Tabernacle who came to live among His People. And we go through Him, just as the High Priest went through the veil in the Tabernacle once a year to offer atonement for the sins of the nation. So He lived among us and, once and for all, removed the veil that separated us from God the Father. As Jesus physically paid the price with the killing of His Body, so the veil was torn and was no longer needed. The veil was torn from top to bottom which indicates God tore the veil, not man. God allowed His Son to be killed in order for us to have free access to the Himself. No more separation! We can sit on the Mercy Seat, also a symbol of Christ who provided us access to God's mercy and grace. We can converse directly with Father God. The only intermediary is Jesus Christ. The Ark of the Covenant was about the promises of God and we can sit on the promises of God and know they are for us too. We can trust in His promises. We Can rest on His promises.

Hebrews 9:11-14 (Easy To Read Version - ERV) But Christ has already come to be the high priest. He is the high priest of the good things we now have. But Christ does not serve in a place like the tent that those other priests served in. He serves in a better place. Unlike that tent, this one is perfect. It was not made by anyone here on earth. It does not belong to this world. (12) Christ entered the Most Holy Place only one time—enough for all time. He entered the Most Holy Place by using his own blood, not the blood of goats or young bulls. He entered there and made us free from sin forever. (13) The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a cow were sprinkled on those who were no longer pure enough to enter the place of worship. The blood and ashes made them pure again—but only their bodies. (14) So surely the blood sacrifice of Christ can do much more. Christ offered himself through the eternal Spirit as a perfect sacrifice to God. His blood will make us completely clean from the evil we have done. It will give us clear consciences so that we can worship the living God.

Hebrews 10:19-22 (ERV) And so, brothers and sisters, we are completely free to enter the Most Holy Place. We can do this without fear because of the blood sacrifice of Jesus. (20) We enter through a new way that Jesus opened for us. It is a living way that leads through the curtain—Christ's body. (21) And we have a great priest who rules the house of God. (22) Sprinkled with the blood of Christ, our hearts have been made free from a guilty conscience, and our bodies have been washed with pure water. So come near to God with a sincere heart, full of confidence because of our faith in Christ.

Next came an earthquake that split rocks apart. This shows the power of God and power of Christ's death. Our hearts are hard as a rock, impenetrable and unmovable. But Christ's atoning death breaks our hard hearts. All of the walls around our hearts, that we've built up in defense, come crashing down when Christ comes in.

Jeremiah 5: 3b (MKJV) ...they have refused to receive correction; they have made their faces harder than rock; they have refused to return.

Then something astonishing happened! Some of the graves broke open and dead people came alive again and were seen by their friends and family in the city. You see, Christ died and set dead people free. We were dead in our sins. The wages of sin is death. Death is the horrible result of sin. But we've been set free through Christ. Our spirits are born and will live for eternity. We call it being born again. Jesus rose from the dead and spent time with His Disciples before He ascended into Heaven. When He ascended, those who had come forth from the graves may have joined Him in ascension. We are not told so this is just a supposition.

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A panel painting by the Flemish artist Rogier van der Weyden created circa 1435, now in the Museo del Prado, Madrid. It depicts Jesus' body being held by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus

Matthew 27:54-66 (ERV) The army officer and the soldiers guarding Jesus saw this earthquake and everything that happened. They were very afraid and said, "He really was the Son of God!" (55) Many women were standing away from the cross, watching. These were the women who had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for him. (56) Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of James and John were there. (57) That evening a rich man named Joseph came to Jerusalem. He was a follower of Jesus from the town of Arimathea. (58) He went to Pilate and asked to have Jesus' body. Pilate gave orders for the soldiers to give Jesus' body to him. (59) Then Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a new linen cloth. (60) He put Jesus' body in a new tomb that he had dug in a wall of rock. Then he closed the tomb by rolling a very large stone to cover the entrance. After he did this, he went away. (61) Mary Magdalene and the other woman named Mary were sitting near the tomb. (62) That day was the day called Preparation day. The next day, the leading priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. (63) They said, "Sir, we remember that while that liar was still alive he said, 'I will rise from death in three days.' (64) So give the order for the tomb to be guarded well for three days. His followers might come and try to steal the body. Then they could tell everyone that he has risen from death. That lie will be even worse than what they said about him before." (65) Pilate said, "Take some soldiers and go guard the tomb the best way you know." (66) So they all went to the tomb and made it safe from thieves. They did this by sealing the stone in the entrance and putting soldiers there to guard it.

In order to understand who Joseph of Arimathea was, let's look at the other Gospels.

Mark 15:40-47 Some women were standing away from the cross, watching. Among these women were Mary Magdalene, Salome, and Mary the mother of James and Joses. (James was her youngest son.) (41) These were the women who had followed Jesus in Galilee and cared for him. Many other women who had come with Jesus to Jerusalem were also there. (42) This day was called Preparation day. (That means the day before the Sabbath day.) It was becoming dark. (43) A man named Joseph from Arimathea was brave enough to go to Pilate and ask for Jesus' body. Joseph was an important member of the high council. He was one of the people who wanted God's kingdom to come. (44) Pilate was surprised to hear that Jesus was already dead. So he called for the army officer in charge and asked him if Jesus was already dead. (45) When Pilate heard it from the officer, he told Joseph he could have the body. (46) Joseph bought some linen cloth. He took the body from the cross, wrapped it in the linen, and put the body in a tomb that was dug in a wall of rock. Then he closed the tomb by rolling a large stone to cover the entrance. (47) Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw the place where Jesus was put.

Luke 23:48-56 Many people had come out of the city to see all this. When they saw it, they felt very sorry and left. (49) The people who were close friends of Jesus were there. Also, there were some women who had followed Jesus from Galilee. They all stood far away from the cross and watched these things. (50) A man named Joseph was there from the Jewish town of Arimathea. He was a good man, who lived the way God wanted. He was waiting for God's kingdom to come. Joseph was a member of the Jewish council. But he did not agree when the other Jewish leaders decided to kill Jesus. (52) He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. (53) He took the body down from the cross and wrapped it in cloth. Then he put it in a tomb that was dug in a wall of rock. This tomb had never been used before. (54) It was late on Preparation day. When the sun went down, the Sabbath day would begin. (55) The women who had come from Galilee with Jesus followed Joseph. They saw the tomb. Inside they saw where he put Jesus' body. (56) Then they left to prepare some sweet-smelling spices to put on the body. On the Sabbath day they rested, as commanded in the Law of Moses.

John 19:38-42 Later, a man named Joseph from Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. (Joseph was a follower of Jesus, but he did not tell anyone, because he was afraid of the Jewish leaders.) Pilate said Joseph could take Jesus' body, so he came and took it away. (39) Nicodemus went with Joseph. He was the man who had come to Jesus before and talked to him at night. He brought about 100 pounds of spices—a mixture of myrrh and aloes. (40) These two men took Jesus' body and wrapped it in pieces of linen cloth with the spices. (This is how the Jews bury people.) (41) In the place where Jesus was killed on the cross, there was a garden. In the garden there was a new tomb. No one had ever been buried there before.  (42)  The men put Jesus in that tomb because it was near, and the Jews were preparing to start their Sabbath day.

We know that Joseph was from a town called Arimathea which was in Judea. But it's not sure which town in Judea it was. There are several possibilities. We also know that he was wealthy and already had a tomb for himself. He purchased fine linen particularly to wrap the body of Jesus in. We also know he was a member of the Sanhedrin but was not one who that hated Jesus and participated in the mock trial. He was actually a friend of Jesus and became a believer. There is speculation that Joseph of Arimathea, or Joseph of Glastonbury as he was later called, was the uncle of Mary, mother of Jesus. According to various historical sources, Joseph's actions provoked both the Roman and Jewish elders and he eventually did spend time in prison for his support of Jesus. Joseph of Arimathea is venerated as a saint by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and some Protestant churches. Legends have grown up around

"Other historical sources report that Joseph of Arimathea went on a preaching mission to Gaul with the apostle Phillip, Mary Magdalene, Lazarus, and others sometime between the years A.D. 37 and A.D. 63 (the year is in dispute). At Marseilles, Lazarus and Mary parted company with the main group who continued on further up North. When Joseph's party reached the English Channel, Phillip sent Joseph with 12 disciples to the furthest corner of the Roman Empire, the Island of the Britons. Legend has it that Joseph sailed around Land's End at the southern tip of England with the intent of catching up with old business acquaintances in the lead and tin mines. They ran aground in the Glastonbury marshes. Once again, it is reported that after climbing a nearby hill to survey the countryside, they were exhausted and Joseph thrust into the ground a staff made from the 'Holy Crown of Thorns' worn by Christ. He announced that he and his traveling companions were all weary. It is legendary that the thorn staff immediately took root and the thorn bush can still be seen today on 'Wearyall Hill.' Joseph built a church (Vetusta Ecclesia) of mud and wattle on the site and decreed that 12 monks should always reside in that most sacred place. It is interesting to note that a spirited shrub which grows near the now ruined Abbey is of the same type that grows in the Eastern Mediterranean and flowers only twice a year - Christmas time and Easter. It is also claimed that Joseph collected some of the blood and sweat of Christ after His side was pierced as He hung on the cross. The chalice or cup which Joseph used to collect the fluids is reported to be the same one used during the last supper. Joseph took the cup with him on his voyage to England and is said to have hidden it on the site at Glastonbury, at the bottom of a deep well, called the 'Chalice Well', or the 'Blood Well.' The well is a rather curious place, 25 thousand gallons of red-tinted water pass through the well area each day. The red tint is caused by high iron content in the water." (see link for the full article)

These are unsubstantiated legends but very interesting.


Nicodemus is mentioned earlier in the gospels.

John 3:1-21 (ERV) There was a man named Nicodemus, one of the Pharisees. He was an important Jewish leader. (2) One night he came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a teacher sent from God. No one can do these miraculous signs that you do unless they have God's help." (3) Jesus answered, "I assure you, everyone must be born again. Anyone who is not born again cannot be in God's kingdom." (4) Nicodemus said, "How can a man who is already old be born again? Can he go back into his mother's womb and be born a second time?" (5) Jesus answered, "Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God's kingdom. (6) The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual. (7) Don't be surprised that I told you, 'You must be born again.' (8) The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don't know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit." (9) Nicodemus asked, "How is all this possible?" (10) Jesus said, "You are an important teacher of Israel, and you still don't understand these things? (11) The truth is, we talk about what we know. We tell about what we have seen. But you people don't accept what we tell you. (12) I have told you about things here on earth, but you do not believe me. So I'm sure you will not believe me if I tell you about heavenly things! (13) The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the one who came down from heaven—the Son of Man. (14) "Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted up too. (15) Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life." (16) Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life. (17) God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him. (18) People who believe in God's Son are not judged guilty. But people who do not believe are already judged, because they have not believed in God's only Son. (19) They are judged by this fact: The light has come into the world. But they did not want light. They wanted darkness, because they were doing evil things. (20) Everyone who does evil hates the light. They will not come to the light, because the light will show all the bad things they have done. (21) But anyone who follows the true way comes to the light. Then the light will show that whatever they have done was done through God.

John 7:40-45 (ERV) When the people heard the things that Jesus said, some of them said, "This man really is the Prophet." (41) Other people said, "He is the Messiah." And others said, "The Messiah will not come from Galilee. (42) The Scriptures say that the Messiah will come from the family of David. And they say that he will come from Bethlehem, the town where David lived." (43) So the people did not agree with each other about Jesus. (44) Some of the people wanted to arrest him. But no one tried to do it. (45) The Temple police went back to the leading priests and the Pharisees. The priests and the Pharisees asked, "Why didn't you bring Jesus?" (46) The Temple police answered, "We have never heard anyone say such amazing things!" (47)The Pharisees answered, "So he has fooled you too! (48) You don't see any of the leaders or any of us Pharisees believing in him, do you? (49)But those people out there know nothing about the law. They are under God's curse!" 50) But Nicodemus was there in that group. He was the one who had gone to see Jesus before. He said, (51) "Our law will not let us judge anyone without first hearing them and finding out what they have done." (52) The Jewish leaders answered, "You must be from Galilee too! Study the Scriptures. You will find nothing about a prophet coming from Galilee." (53) Then they all left and went home.

From what we read earlier, Joseph of Arimathea provided his own tomb and fine linen for Jesus' burial and Nicodemus provided expensive balm from a mixture of myrrh and aloes so he was probably wealthy as well. In the apocryphal books there is a Gospel of Nicodemus. Nicodemus is venerated as a saint in the various Eastern Churches and in the Roman Catholic Church.

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The traditional location of Golgotha (place of the skull) derives from its identification by Helena, the mother of Emperoro Constantine I, in 325 AD. A few yards nearby, Helena also identified the location of the tomb of Jesus and claimed to have discovered the True Cross. Her son, Emperor Constantine, then built the Church of the Holy Sepulchre around the whole site including the Tomb of Christ. But scholars have disputed this as the place of Calvary and the Tomb. See Wikipedia on Calvary and on the Tomb of Jesus and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

See my post on what happened to Jesus between His death and resurrection.

We Moved Back Home

We made the big change of downsizing and moving into a 3 bedroom loft apartment. But we were not happy. Within 5 weeks, we moved back home. (See my last post about our move to the apartment.) We thought downsizing and moving into the apartment would relieve us of some of the nagging and constant demands of owning a home. No yard work, no maintenance and repairs, no replacing appliances, roofs and heat pumps, etc And with a smaller area, cleaning the house would be a breeze! But going from nearly 3,000 sq ft to 1,673 sq ft was more difficult than I imagined. The bedrooms were particularly small and I spend a good deal of time in my bedroom. I felt shoehorned in.

I made it nice and it was clean and organized. But it was just too small and I see no reason to accept the unacceptable when I don't have to. We still owned our 3,000 sq ft home. It showed a lot and we had good comments but no offers and so it was still ours. After much prayer, my husband and I agreed to move back home. Expensive lesson learned. We are not tiny house people. If we had to, we could do it. But if we don't have to, we won't. As long as we can keep our house, we will keep it.

So, I've been back off my blog for a few more weeks because of moving back home. We've been in flux for about 3 months and I hope that is over.

Monday, March 06, 2017

We Are In Our New Home

Update - We moved back home. See my blog post about it.

Stan and I made a major life change since the new year. One of the local cotton mills has been converted to upscale loft apartments. I've been very happy in our big house. It was our dream home and I thought it would do us until the end. But it has been harder and harder to keep up with as we've aged. Taking care of, cleaning, maintaining a large home and our yard was taking it's toll.

It occurred to us that we could downsize. When we began thinking of it, we didn't really want another smaller house. Because that means you still have a mortgage, maintenance/repairs and yard work. We didn't want a condominium because you still have indoor maintenance and then we've seen a family member taken advantage of with high regime fees going to management who used the money for their own ends and let the condos fall into disrepair. So we thought a high-end rental would make sense. They would want to keep things in good repair to keep good renters. The loft apartments provide all appliances, a pool, grilling and dining al fresco, a gym and a dog park along with extensive walking trails. So we began to get excited and made the drastic decision to go for it! We don't want to be house poor (all our assets tied up in a house). At this stage in life, we want to be more mobile and liquid with less responsibilities.

We took a 3 bedroom apartment and then began downsizing in earnest. We had a huge yard sale and gave away truckloads to family and charity. We managed to go from an approximately 3,000 sq foot home to a 1,673 sq foot apartment. It was good but it was heart wrenching.

We had so many memories in our former home. But we also had so many memories in the THINGS in our home. What do you keep and what can you let go of? I had to be realistic and firm. I just didn't have room for everything. Don't get me wrong, we aren't hoarders, but we had so many things to deal with.

I'm a good housekeeper and organizer and we had a large house with tons of storage. So going through every drawer, closet, the attic, the cabinets, etc. was hard. Every time you touch something you are flooded with memories but you know you have to keep going and you have to deal with it by making a decision whether to keep it or get rid of it. If you keep it, where will you store it? If you are ready to let go of it, do you pass it on to a family member, a charity, or toss in the trash?

It STRETCHED my decluttering and organizing skills to the maximum and it STRESSED my genealogy and scrapbooking side to the max. For instance, what to do with my genealogy books? My books in general (I'm a big reader)? I decided to take my genealogy books and donate them to my local library's genealogy room so I could still access them but I don't have to take care of them. My regular books... I made a decision. I would keep my Bibles and devotionals but get rid of EVERY other book in my home. I can go strictly digital and use the library for hard backs. So I boxed all my books up and had them at the yard sale. What was left were donated to the Friends of the Library. I have my Bibles and devotionals in one small book case.

Then there were my scrapbooks. I had a full closet from top to bottom with my scrapbooks back when I did paper scrapbooks. I have, since, moved to digital scrapbooks. But what to do with all my old ones. I went through them and pulled together books that could be given to family members. That got rid of about a dozen books. The rest I organized into plastic boxes, clearly marked. They were worth keeping.

I had about a dozen different sets of china that I loved but it had become a pain to keep them all clean and sparkling. I carefully wrapped some of the sets up, put in plastic boxes and gave to family members because they were from my Grandmothers. I feel like they are being passed down to the next generation. But the rest were donated to charity. It feels good to know that I don't have to wash 4 huge china cabinets full of china, crystal, and silver every year during spring cleaning time. But it was wrenching to let them go too. I kept my silver baby cups but let go of the rest. No more silver polishing for me.
Just one of 4 china cabinets full of china and silver.

Anyway, as you can see, it was very hard. Hard work and emotionally hard. But it's freeing. I think my husband had a harder time than I did. But we kept telling ourselves that we are simplifying our life and think of the time, effort, money and worry we will save not having to keep up all the stuff,  the house and yard! We almost called it off a couple of times but we pressed on.

Three weeks ago we actually moved into the new apartment. The hardest part to get used to is the small bedrooms. We feel a little cramped but I keep telling myself that means less to dust, less to vacuum, less to mop, etc. Once I got my TV up and my rolling computer desk and computer equipment set up, I was OK. Being disabled, I stay in bed a lot and use my adjustable bed and rolling computer desk for hours. I don't need much room for that anyway.








After we got moved in we were able to get unpacked and set up and now are comfortable. But, of course, meanwhile, we also had to do minor repairs and clean the old house to get it on the market. I was the one doing the packing and yard sale. We were both doing the move on the big day. But my husband was more involved in getting the old house ready for market. I did some cleaning and painting but my job continued at our new home with unpacking and putting away. Considering we made the decision to move, got moved and now have the house in shape and on the market, all since the last week in January... we did pretty doggone good! But it was a very hard month.

We couldn't have done it just by ourselves. Our family chipped in all along the way and our friends, Randall and Mary, went above and beyond! We can't thank them enough. From Elaine and Hannah holding my hands as I plowed through boxes of memories, helping me tag with prices and getting ready for the yard sale, to Mike, Melinda, Mom, Dad, Elaine, Randall and Mary helping us during the yard sale! Did I mention a yard sale like this was like an estate sale while you're still alive?!? Those items that strangers were pawing through are MY MEMORIES! And they wanted them for a quarter or a dollar and I had to be willing to let them go for a quarter or a dollar. Then there were all the men in our family doing the heavy lifting on moving day! And Elaine and I were pushing carts of boxes from the parking lot to the elevator and up to our new 3rd floor apartment ALL DAY LONG! And the prayers and support from all our friends and family! Randall and Mary helped us do the repairs and clean up the old house. They do such a fantastic and meticulous job on everything they do. I truly could not do it better myself (and I mean that!). We paid them for that work but not nearly enough. They wouldn't take more. What they did was more a ministry to us. And Ronnie helped us just last week by doing a couple of things that we hadn't had time to get to. It was such a help because we had to get the house on the market. You can only make two payments for so long. Anyway, it comes down to everyone helping in the ways they could whether it was a prayer or painting or packing a box or helping in so many other ways and we appreciated all of them.

One last thought. Because of HGTV and so many home shows, it seems people expect homes to be staged and to look as generic as a hotel lobby. This is totally unrealistic. First, 95% of us aren't professional decorators. Second, we have limited budgets and cannot afford all new matchy-matchy furniture and accessories. Third, we live in our homes, they aren't stage dressing so to expect to tour someone's home and not see a toothbrush in the toothbrush holder, or a picture of Grandma on the wall or a shampoo bottle in the shower is unrealistic.

A house should be clean, decluttered, in good order and everything working.

But to expect a homeowner to repaint the entire house in neutral gray (it used to be neutral beige), purchase new furniture/window treatments and rent a pod (or storage unit) to put all personal items,,, is going too far. Our house is painted in acceptable colors, nothing too daring or too way out. But one realtor told us to repaint the entire inside a neutral gray and white and to remove all wallpaper. Do you know how much that would have cost us? And it would have meant the house wasn't ready for market for months and yet we weren't going to get any higher price?!? We have a brand new HVAC system, including ductwork just 8 mos ago. New roof, new windows, new floor coverings, all granite countertops, enclosed the garage to make an inlaw suite with 2nd kitchen. We've moved out, so there is no furniture or personal items. It's extra clean and all repairs up to date, the yard is immaculate. But none of this was good enough. That realtor wanted us to spend an additional $10,000 and a couple of months work, to paint it neutral gray.

I'm not mad at the realtors. They learn this stuff from real estate 101. It's because the buyers watch HGTV and expect every house to look like the Property Brothers just finished it and staged it for them. Or that it's going to look like the Flip or Flop couple just walked out the back door as they walked in the front door.

Come on people, get a grip. Those are TV shows and real life isn't that perfect and can't be. Besides, how do I know what color Family A expects my living room to be versus Family B or Family C? Family A may think gray is too cold and would prefer a warm tan and Family C might prefer a clean white! I can't possibly anticipate every taste of every possible buyer. But each buyer can use their own imagination and try to see the house in a color they want to paint it IF THEY BUY IT! As long as it's my house, it will be painted what I like. But once you buy it, it's yours and you can paint it any color you like. You can overlook my furniture and imagine it with your own furniture. But, while it's my house and I'm living in it, it will have my furniture in it.

Of course, there are commonsense limits. If you have wall to wall furniture or such big pieces that it makes your room abnormally small, then you may need to make adjustments. If you've painted a room a vivid purple, then you need to expect that most people wouldn't like your choice and maybe that room needs to be painted. Those are commonsense things that homeowners need to be aware of.

But commonsense goes both ways. Buyers need to use commonsense and imagination to see beyond the current owner's furniture or paint colors. Look at the bones, at the location, at your budget and at the level of skill sets available to you and see if this home can become what you want. If not, move on to the next house. But don't have unrealistic expectations based on TV shows.

Another point to think of is how much is real and how much may cover up something. Let's say the homeowner is told by their real estate agent to paint the rooms. Do you really think the homeowner is going to spend money on the best paint? Why would they, when they aren't going to be living there? You will probably get cheap paint and maybe a sub par job just so it will be "neutral". What if a realtor tells a homeowner to take down an old light fixture because it "dates" the house? More than likely the homeowner will buy a cheap replacement light fixture and call the cheapest electrician to install it. Is it done right? It may look pretty for a little while but those cheap box store fixtures come from China!

My point is, a buyer expects it all to look perfect but how does the buyer know if it's just cheap lipstick and rouge? A buyer is relying on a homeowner who is ready to sell the property. As a buyer, I'd rather do most repairs and remodeling myself. That way I can choose the best paint, choose my own contractors, make my own decisions. I'd rather be in control of what happens to the home I'm going to be living in so it would be done to my specifications and my satisfaction.

So, I say, again, use your imagination, don't have unrealistic expectations. There are some things that are non-negotiable. Concentrate on them. Such as price, location, quality of build, size of the lot, square footage, how the rooms are arranged. Don't look at a two story house if you need one story living. Don't look at a house on the west side when you work on the east side. Don't look at a house that is 1,500 square feet when you need at least 2,300 square feet. But if the house is in the right location, has the right size lot, has the right square footage, has the right number of bedrooms and bathrooms, then look at it as a good-bones house and use your imagination to see if it can be made into what you want and need, within your budget. Decide if you have the budget, the time and available skill sets to do it. By "available skill sets", I mean can you, or someone you trust and know, do what is needed? Do you have access and knowledge of contractors that are trustworthy and professional? Do you know of family members that are good at certain skills? Or maybe a friend that you can trust to do it or give you good advice? These are resources and skill sets available to you. If I didn't have access to trustworthy skill sets to do a quality job, then my decisions would have to be very different.

Do I make sense? I know I'm going on and on but I'm in the middle of this and I'm seeing it from all sides. Be a wise homeowner and use commonsense. Be a wise seller and use commonsense and keep all things in proper perspective. Be a wise buyer and use commonsense and imagination as you look.

Above all, if you are a Christian (a true believer in Jesus Christ), whatever your dealings, do so with honesty and a commitment to do the right thing. In our case, with selling the house, we decided not to repaint the house in neutral gray. Our paint, inside and out, was done with the best paint we could afford and to the best of our ability when we still thought the house was going to be ours until our death. We decided that the colors are fine and it wouldn't be right to buy cheap paint and slap and dash it on the walls just so it would look "neutral". It's not fair to us to go to that trouble and expense and it's not fair to the buyer to get a poor paint job done with cheap paint. It's clean and in excellent shape. We made sure any chips and scrapes were touched up with the same paint we painted it with originally. I made sure to clean and wipe down all the closets and cabinets and under every appliance. We swept up the attic after we emptied it. The floors are gleaming and the cabinets have been scrubbed and oiled until they also gleam. The windows are sparkling and the appliances and light fixtures are clean. No dust on the fan blades, the chandelier is polished, etc. We've done our best by our house and whoever gets it will be getting a good deal. We can sleep at nights knowing the buyer of our house is getting the best we could have done. And while we are renting our apartment, we will keep it to the best of our ability and leave it in as good a shape as we can. And if we buy a house, we will use commonsense as we look and be aboveboard in our dealings. We trust the Lord to guide our decisions and lead us to the right place, not in the machinations of a realtor, flipper, a clever decorator/stager, or TV show.

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