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Monday, May 27, 2013

Mystery Monday - Herman Griehsbach

I have not been able to find the beginning and end of Herman Frederick Griehsbach so I'm putting it in a blog post hoping someone will come to my rescue!

First, how is Griehsbach related to me?

Wade Hinson married Mary Rummage and they had 6 known children:
Isaac Hinson, Jane Elizabeth Hinson, Rachel A. Hinson, Margaret Hinson, Henry Hinson, Robert Hampton Hinson

Jane Elizabeth Hinson married my direct ancestor, Ambrose Ervin Huneycutt. Ambrose and Jane Elizabeth Hinson Huneycutt were my great great grandparents.

Jane Elizabeth's brother, Robert Hampton Hinson, married Jane Ellen Thomas and they had Betty Ruth Stimpson who married Herman Griehsbach. So I'm one second cousin twice removed. And, yeah, it took Rootsmagic's Relationship Calculator to come up with that one!

Herman Frederick Griehsbach was born about 1893 and married Betty Ruth Stimpson on 6/16/1931. According to the U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989, he and Betty lived in Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC during the 1930's.

1931 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 337
Herman Griehsbach, Asst Supt Foreman Ellis Silk Hosiery, r Emory Apts

1933 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 231
Herman Griehsbach (B. Ruth), erector, h 1619 Mint

1934 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 227
Herman F. Griehsbach (Ruth B.), mach, h 712 Cleveland Ave

Evidently Herman Griehsbach died between the conception of their 2nd child who was born in 1935 and the 1937 City Directory.

North Carolina Birth Index, 1800-2000
Name: Anna Ruth Griehsback
Gender: Female
Race: White
Event Type: birth
Birth Date: 1935
Birth County: Pasquotank (?)
Parent1 Name: Herman Griehsback
Roll Number: NCVR_B_C075_66001
Volume: 22
Page: 134


1937 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 266
Ruth S. Griehsbach (wid Herman), workroom wkr Montaldo's of Charlotte NC Inc, r. 2701 Clemson Ave

1938 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 266
Ruth S. Griehsbach (wid Herman), workroom wkr Montaldo's of Charlotte NC Inc, r 2701 Clemson Ave

1939 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 268
Ruth S. Grieshbach (wid Herman), Inspr Nebel Knitting Co., r 2701 Clemson Ave

1941 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 292
Ruth S. Griehsbach (wid Herman), Textile wkr, h. 2701 Clemson Ave

1942 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 319
Arth S. Griehsbach (sic) (Herman), h 2701 Clemson Ave

1943 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 291
Ruth Griehsbach (wid Herman), Opr Hotel Charlotte, h 2701 Clemson Ave


1947 Hill's Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 294
Ruth Grichsbach (wid Herman), inspr Char Fnshg, r 2701 Clemson Ave

1953 Hill's City Directory of Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC, Pg 261
Anna R. Griehsbach, Stdt, r 2701 Clemson Ave
David R. Griehsbach, USA, r 2701 Clemson Ave
Ruth Griehsbach (wid Herman), forwn Char Finishing, r 2701 Clemson Ave

That's all the information I've been able to find on Herman Griehsbach. But I will show you what I have on Betty Ruth Stimpson Griehsbach. She was born 10/9/1909 in Mecklenburg County, NC to David Pleasant Stimpson and Ada Lydia Hinson.


1920 U.S. Census of Roberts St., Asheville Ward 4, Buncombe County, North Carolina; Roll:  T624_1099; Page:  1B; Enumeration District:  0016; FHL microfilm:  1375112, Lines 70-84, "Laura L. Green", Stimpsons were boarding with her.
Laura L. Green, Head, F(emale), W(hite), 64 yrs old, Widowed, Married 42 yrs, 4 children with 4 still living, Born in NC, Father born in VA, Mother born in NC, Keeps boarders in boardinghouse, Can read and write
Otis L. Green, Son, M, W, 35 yrs old, 1st marriage, Married 2 yrs, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Salesman hardware, Can read and write
Alleen Green (sic), Daughter-in-law, F, W, 25 yrs old, 1st marriage, Married 2 yrs, 1 child with 1 still living, Born in MS, Father born in SC, Mother born in MS, Can read and write
Marion Green, Granddaughter, F, W, 1 yr 3/12 mos old, Born in NC, Father born in NC, Mother born in MS
Nettie F. Snelson, Servant, F, W, 23 yrs old, Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Cook in boardinghouse, Can read and write
George R. Murphy, Boarder, M, W, 35 yrs old, 1st marriage, Married 0 yrs, Born in SC, Both parents born in SC, Boss spinner in cotton mill, Can read and write
Julia R. Murphy, Boarder, F, W, 26 yrs old, 1st marriage, Married 0 yrs, Born in NC, Father born in NC, Mother born in TN, Can read and write
David P. Stimpson, Boarder, M, W, 27 yrs old (DOB 1883), 1st marriage, Married 1 yr (DOM 1919), Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Repairs engines Machinist, Can read and write
Lyia A. Stimpson (sic), Boarder, F, W, 29 yrs old (DOB 1881), 1st marriage, Married 1 yr, 1 child with 1 still living, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Can read and write
Ruth B. Stimpson, Boarder, F, W, 7/12 mos old (DOB 1909), Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Albert H. Moore, Boarder, M, W, 31 yrs old, 1st marriage, Married 10 yrs, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Moulder in Foundry, Can read and write
Dora A. Moore, Boarder, F, W, 27 yrs old, 1st marriage, Married 10 yrs, 0 children, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
John L. Brooks, Boarder, M, W, 23 yrs old, Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Hostler for Railroad, Can read and write
David James, Boarder, M, W, 24 yrs old, Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Hostler for Railroad, Can read and write

1920 U.S. Census of Elk Springs, Warren County, Kentucky; Roll:  T625_600; Page:  4A; Enumeration District:  127; Image:  590, Lines 18-24, "David P. Stimpson"
David P. Stimpson, Head, Rents home, M(ale), W(hite), 35 yrs old (DOB 1885), Married, Can read and write, Born in NC, Father born in VA, Mother born in NC, Mechanic on oil rig
Lida Stimpson (sic), Wife, F, W, 38 yrs old (DOB 1882), Married, Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Ruth Stimpson, Daughter, F, W, 10 yrs old (DOB 1910), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Jame Stimpson (sic), Son, M, W, 8 yrs old (DOB 1912), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Lottie Stimpson, Daughter, F, W, 6 yrs old (DOB 1914), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Annie Stimpson, Daughter, F, W, 4 yrs 8/12 mos old (DOB 1916), Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Richard Stimpson, Son, M, W, 3 yrs 7/12 mos old (DOB 1917), Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC

1930 U.S. Census of Mecklenburg County Hwy 16, Paw Creek, Mecklenburg, North Carolina; Roll:  1707; Page:  3A; Enumeration District:  66; Image:  575.0; FHL microfilm:  2341441, Lines 14-23, "David P. Steinfor" (sic, It's definitely "David P. Stimpson" but Ancestry.com has him indexed as "David P. Steinfor")
David P. Steinfor, Head, Owns home valued at $6,000, M(ale), W(hite), 46 yrs old (DOB 1884), Married at age 25 yrs old (DOM 1909), Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Machinist in printing plant
Lida Steinfor (sic), Wife, F, W, 48 yrs old (DOB 1882), Married at age 27 yrs old (DOM 1909), Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Ruth Steinfor, Daughter, F, W, 20 yrs old (DOB 1910), Single, Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Saleswoman in dept store
James Steinfor, Son, M, W, 18 yrs old (DOB 1912), Single, Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC, Salesman in dept store
Lottie Steinfor, Daughter, F, W, 16 yrs old (DOB 1914), Single, Can read and write, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Annie Steinfor, Daughter, F, W, 14 yrs old (DOB 1916), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Richard Steinfor, Son, M, W, 13 yrs old (DOB 1917), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Esther Steinfor, Daughter, F, W, 10 yrs old (DOB 1920), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Daisy Steinfor, Daughter, F, W, 8 yrs old (DOB 1922), Single, Attends school, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC
Mitchel Steinfor (sic), Son, M, W, 5 yrs old (DOB 1925), Single, Born in NC, Both parents born in NC

1940 U.S. Census of Clemson Ave., Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina; Roll: T627_2942; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 60-28A, Lines 56-62, "Lyda Stimpson"
Lyda Stimpson, Head, Owns home valued at $3,500, F(emale), W(hite), 58 yrs old (DOB 1882), Married, Attended high school 1 yr, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC, No occupation
Lottie Jo Stimpson, Daughter, 25 yrs old (DOB 1915), Single, Attended high school 4 yrs, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC, Inspector hosiery mill
Daisy Stimpson, Daughter, 18 yrs old (DOB 1922), Single, Attended high school 4 yrs, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC, Seamer hosiery mill
Mitchell Stimpson, Son, 16 yrs old (DOB 1924), Single, Attends school, Attended school thru 8th grade, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC
Ruth Griehsbach, Daughter, 28 yrs old (DOB 1912), Widowed, Attended high school 4 yrs, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC, No occupation
Rudolph Griehsbach, Grandson, 8 yrs old (DOB 1932), Single, Attends school, Attended school thru 1st grade, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC
Anna Ruth Griehsbach, Granddaughter, 4 yrs old (DOB 1936), Single, Born in NC, Lived in Rural Mecklenburg County, NC

Betty Ruth Griehsbach died 4/11/2001 in Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, NC

North Carolina Death Collection, 1908-1996
Name: Betty Ruth Griehsbach
[Betty Ruth Stimpson]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Hispanic Origin: Non-Hispanic
Marital Status: Widowed
Social Security Number: 237144914
Father's Last Name: Stimpson
Age: 91 Years
Date of Birth: 9 Oct 1909
Birth County: Mecklenburg
Birth State: North Carolina
Residence City: Charlotte
Residence County: Mecklenburg
Residence State: North Carolina
Residence Zip Code: 28205
Education: 12th grade
Date of Death: 11 Apr 2001
Death City: Charlotte
Death County: Mecklenburg
Death State: North Carolina
Autopsy: Autopsy Not Performed
Autopsy Findings: Autopsy findings were not considered in determining cause of death
Institution: Hospital Inpatient
Hospital Name: CAROLINAS MEDICAL CENTER
Attendant: Physician
Burial Location: Burial in-state
Recorded Date: 18 Apr 2001
Source Vendor: North Carolina State Center for Health Statistics

Social Security Death Index
Name: Ruth S. Griehsbach
SSN: 237-14-4914
Last Residence: 28078  Huntersville, Mecklenburg, North Carolina, United States of America
Born: 9 Oct 1909
Died: 11 Apr 2001
State (Year) SSN issued: North Carolina (Before 1951)



Herman and Betty Ruth Stimpson Griehsbach had 2 children that I'm aware of:
1) Anna Ruth Griehsbach who married Dewey Nelson Edwards according to the birth record of one of their children:
Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, Birth Index, 1865-2012
Name: Anna Ruth Griehsbach
Gender: Female
Spouse: Edwards, Dewey Nelson
Children: Betty Jane Edwards

2) David Rudolph Herman Griehsbach who married Margaret Ann Poteat. He was born between 1931-1932 according to the censuses,


Now, what have I done to find Herman Griehsbach? I've used all the little tricks I've learned over the years in Ancestry.com.

I have searched using all these different spellings:

GRIESBACH
GRIESBACK
GRIESBECK
GRIESBRECHT
GRYSBECK
GRASBEKK
GRIEKSBACK
GRICHSBACH

I searched the military records to see if he had a WWI draft registration card. I didn't find one. I searched for a death certificate and death record in North Carolina. Since he must have died between 1935-1937 that narrows it down and they were living in Charlotte, NC before and after their daughter's birth. But their daughter has her birth record showing she was born in Pasquotank County, NC. So I checked for Mecklenburg County AND Pasquotank County, NC; all of NC and the nation. I even looked for all the "Herman"'s in NC during that time period just in case his name was so mangled that it wasn't showing. I tried looking for a Herman Griehsbach who was up to 20 years older than Betty Ruth or down to 10 younger than Betty Ruth. I tried a Google search, FindAGrave.com and Familysearch.org. I tried to find him in the 1930 and older censuses and couldn't find him in those either. So my last trick was to follow all the "Herman Griehsbach" in his age range no matter where they were living. Maybe he left Betty Ruth and the children and lived elsewhere while she said she was widowed. I was pretty sure that wasn't the case but I was down to my last idea. I mean, why isn't there a death certificate or death record? He couldn't have died in a vacuum. Here were my results:


I found a Herman Fred (or Frank) Griehsbach born 8/1/1890 in Dodge County, Wisconsin to William and Emilia Griehsbach. This cannot be THE Herman F. Griehsbach as he was living in Dane County, Wisconsin when he filled out his WWII Draft Registration Card when, according to the US City Directories, which have my Herman F. Griehsbach in Charlotte, NC in the 1930's. This Wisconsin Griesbach was married to Florence Griesbach.

There was a Herman Lee Griesbach born about 1902 in Cumberland County, TN to August and Becka Bowdoin/Amanda Griesbach (aka Obetta Griesbach) and died 2/1976 in Brookfield, Waukesha, WI. He was living with his parents in the 1910 and 1920 U.S. Census. He married Alma Griesbach and was with her in Milwaukee, Milwaukee County, WI in 1930 and 1940 Censuses so he can't THE Herman Griehsbach.

This Herman Henry Griesbach was born 12/3/1907 to Auguste and Tilda Griesbach and is still living at home with his parents in 1930 US Census. I couldn't find him in the 1940 US Census but according to his US Veteran Tombstone application he was still living in Wisconsin when he died in 1951, so it can't be THE Herman L. Griehsbach as he was in Charlotte, NC during the 1930's according to U.S. City Directories of Charlotte and died about 1937.

This Herman Griesbach was born 1/18/1909 to Henry Griesbach and Anna Deck Griesbach. He is still living Single with his parents in Outagamie County, Wisconsin in the 1910-1940 US Censuses. He died 12/15/1987 in Outagamie County, Wisconsin so he can't be THE Herman Griesbach who was living in Charlotte, NC during the 1930's according to the US City Directories of Charlotte and he died about 1937.

This Herman Griesbach was born about 1890 and died in Wisconsin on 9/22/1960 so he can't be THE Herman Griehsbach who was living in Charlotte, NC during the 1930's according to US City Directories of Charlotte, NC and died about 1937.

So, I'm still at a loss. If anyone finds this post and can tell me about poor Herman Griehsbach, I would appreciate it. I would like to know his full date of birth, where he was born and his parents names, his date of death and where he died. What happened to him? If it hadn't been for the City Directories I would not have known he existed. How did he disappear from the usual records (censuses, death certificate, death record, WWI draft registration)? Where are they buried? Thanks in advance!



2 comments:

Posie Tackett said...

Do you have this?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F8Z6-B3B

Name: Frederick Griehsback
Birth Date: 1893
Birthplace:
Age: 38
Spouse's Name: Ruth B. Stimpson
Spouse's Birth Date: 1910
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 16 Jun 1931
Event Place: New Hanover, North Carolina
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race: White
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race: White
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75214-1
System Origin: North Carolina-EASy
GS Film number: 276138
Reference ID: p96-M

Collection: Frederick Griehsback, "North Carolina, Marriages, 1759-1979"

Sharon said...

Thank you, you have added his middle name and birth year for me!

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